Post by Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
Sun is not in the market selling phones or PDAs.
J2ME would claim otherwise...
No, J2ME is not a phone or PDA platform. J2ME runs on those sorts of
platforms and you can run Java on your WinCE and probably your Palm
I think you're just getting uppity about something not really worth
getting uppity about.
Do you like $4 SUNW? This plays a role in that.
Someone's always gotta find someTHING to
complain about and do so in a myopic, trivializing way. Sales
and their personal OS is one of these things.
It is not their Personal OS. It is their Professional OS.
Either that or
someone's Sun pride is easily hurt.
If you were talking Apple pride, you might be right. Except for one
or two Solaris x86 boxes, I have 0 attachment to Sun, except wanting
to see them succeed. (disclosure, my brother is a Sun employee -- I
group up a DECcie)
I've kinda steered clear of this discussion (but read all the posts)
because it is trivial. However, as almost any (good) sales guy will
tell you, trivial things can make or break a sale. I worked at
Novell for several years in the '90's, and yet I never touched
Netware other than to mount an fs, and I rarely turned on my Win32
box. I just used my Mac and SunOS boxen, and all was good. Did I
get questions about it? Of course. Was it a big deal? No. I'm a big
fan of using the right tool for the right job, and I always produced
The conflict is that sales weenies are there doing a presentation
where it's all about impressions. My company lost a sale recently
(that was pretty much a done deal) for the simple reason that a
director that they hired after their selection had a bad taste in his
mouth from another incident with our company (oddly enough because he
chose Win32 over Solaris and was subsequently let go for that
choice). He was able to sway the company away from us and we lost
Every time we have our Sun SE visit, I constantly chide him over
using Windows - and I have for years. However, it comes from above
him. The higher-up's haven't made it easy to use Solaris, and sales
critters have bigger things to worry about than fighting an upstream
battle (that should never have been waged to begin with.)
Personally, I think that every Sun sales person that wants to run
Windows (or a Mac...) should be allowed to. I don't think Solaris
should be an edict - at least not yet. That promotes resentment
(I've seen that with some of my friends still at Novell having to
produce a "business case" to run Windows instead of SuSE.) However,
I do think that the sales materials should be produced natively in
Solaris. So, if you're bright enough to run Solaris (lets face it,
it ain't as easy as Windows sometimes - which is saying something),
you should be doing it. If you feel you need WinXP, more power to
you, but you're gonna have these StarOffice presentations to give
instead of PowerPoint. And you're gonna have to support the thing on
your own. Then, Sun's own IT department could be an even more
valuable resource to development.
Anyway, just my 2¢
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